Comments on: Assignment 1: A First Vis Paper and MizBee https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee Course web for CS838 Spring 2010, Visualization Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:17:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.4 By: turetsky https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-26 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:51:38 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-26 Note: Joining the class late, so doing this late.

I found the paper readable and those genetics concepts that I didn’t understand from my one high school biology course were explained well enough for me to follow. I would have liked to see more proof that MizBee is an improvement over other genome visualization software. To be fair, though, I imagine that would have to be conducted by biologists and be measured purely by their subjective preferences.

While I understand one of their methods of using a circular structure for simplifying some of the clutter and providing more information between source and destination, it just doesn’t seem as intuitive as the block view.

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By: sarahc https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-25 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:46:41 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-25 For a paper in a specialized field that is a great departure from my own area of study, I found it easy enough to follow due to its succinct introductory sections clearly explaining the functions and characteristics of genomes, which provided sufficient background knowledge to understanding the remainder of the paper.

The rest of the paper however was also largely descriptive, such as in its explanation of MizBee, and it would have benefitted from further justification for their design choices. On page 3, the authors indicate that their generalized taxonomy is a result of their critique of “the design choices taken in other synteny browsers presented in the literature.” What, in particular, were such critiques? And how does their system differ or compare to these other browsers in terms of its design choices? Why were these decisions made?

Many others have mentioned color use in their comments, and I, too, had a similar initial response to the visualizations. Especially in Fig. 9c, the red and green in the block would fail to provide useful information to a biologist who is red-green colorblind.

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By: watkins https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-24 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:03:49 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-24 After Table 2, I wondered how the designers created the layout taxonomies, if they were all the possibilities, or just the ones the researchers were considering for the purposes of this project. Then in Previous Work, when describing previous software with similar functionality to MisBee, it became clear that most of these layouts had been tried before. The previous programs had shortcomings, but that seemed to be due mostly to a lack of different levels of view and the ability to move between them.

I’m curious as to how many people would find this tool useful in their work, as it seems to be very specialized. I would expect it to be small, but biology is a large field, and there were a lot of existing tools, so maybe they were trying to meed a larger demand than is apparent to me.

I’m also interested in the evaluation methods (I saw a conversation had been started about this previously in the comments.) If not many people use this tool, maybe anecdotal evaluation is sufficient for testing MisBee. I am curious, though, as to whether they tested it using a different group of people than the ones they interviewed to determine the 14 important questions that motivated the MizBee’s design.

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By: ChamanSingh https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-23 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:48:39 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-23 This wonderfully lucid paper with nice illustrations and end users perspective summarizes some of the challenges and new opportunities in domain specific visualization software. The most effective visualization are simple and must provides insights into a pattern or answer some specific questions that are almost perfunctory in nature.

Although this paper is very specific to genomics which is outside my domain of knowledge, there are however some general rules that are clearly mentioned in the paper which could be useful for any other domain specific software.

1. Characterization of the domain: List down higher level question that the software must answer.

2. Taxonomy of the design space :

3. Non scalability of Colors:

This paper also emphasizes “Edge Bundling” to remove visual clutter that often occurs with large dataset. Although the paper have mentioned use of Spline, but I am sure that real implementation must be difficult.
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Finally, this paper nicely reinforces the general thinking that no matter how hard the implementors think and design the software, it is the end user that decide how good the visualization software is and their decisions are based on the answers they are looking for from their incomprehensible dataset.

The only concern that I have with this paper and the MizBee software is that it probably does a great job in answering 14 questions, but what if the user slightly change or pose new question. In that sense, how this software is “General” as claimed by the authors.

Overall this paper is very interesting to read and thought provoking.

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By: jeeyoung https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-22 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:19:39 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-22 I like the authors put questions together and show in which scale and relationship the question can be addressed. This information, Table 1, seems to be useful for users to check which scale they should look in or what they overlook and also for others to design a similar browser.

In the genome view, edge bundling makes us to see minor block connections as figure 5 shows. I like they make the user to choose one source chromosome so that they can avoid the problem from when the user choose all the chromosomes. I am curious how the genome view changes if the ordering of destination chromosome can change.

I like the layering of annotation tracks in the chromosome view. The browser can use any annotation tracks and it seems to be easy to catch meaningful annotation in the chromosome view.

It will be nice if the browser can be expanded to compare more than two species but it may not be straightforward expansion.

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By: Nakho Kim https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-21 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:56:04 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-21 Reading this paper, I found the pattern matching and linking process interesting because being a journalism major, my personal interests are in utilizing data visualization to explore relationship patterns between social agents. But I think what helped me most was the 14-questions approach(table 1) how the various complex research interests are boiled down to just two distinct spatial dimensions(scale and relationship).

On the other hand, I couldn’t really understand from the paper alone what specific algorithms are being used to remove the “noise” and cluster the edges, especially in the second example case. Come to think of it, how much of such details are usually included in visualisation tool introduction papers like this?

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By: Adrian Mayorga https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-20 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:10:14 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-20 I like the way that the authors present MizBee. There is a concise and understandable explanation of both the biological background and the task that the tool is supposed to perform. While I do not know if their table of questions is thorough, they clearly use this to guide the design and functionality of the tool.There is also some discussion about the possible layout choices.

In general I feel the weakest point of this paper is the lack of comparison with other systems. For one, they fail to compare other systems in the specific cases of their contributors. It is also not very clear how much more functionality (in terms of the questions answered) MizBee has over other tools. Lastly, there is very few discussion about the use of the tool in the general sense. While I was reasonably convinced that MizBee was useful to the two users that the authors mention, I have no notion to how it would operate in the general case, special against other tools already out there.

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By: Kevin https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-19 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:11:37 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-19 My understanding of genetics is limited, and so I don’t feel comfortable arguing if MizBee is a good solution in this problem space. The discussion of developing the tool, though, was problematic because they didn’t sufficiently “justify [their] design choices for spatial layout, color, and interaction in terms of known perceptual principles” (p. 2), though perhaps they do so better than other systems they examined. I also found their characterization of the users insufficient to evaluate their decisions.

I assume that their critique of “other synteny browsers” (p. 3) refers to the browsers they discuss in section 6. The known perceptual principles they base their design on includes the “obvious and effective way” of lines and curves; alternatives are not discussed and no research cited. And if “less than one dozen colors are distinguishable when showing categorical data” (p. 4, though it appears we’ll discuss this more later), then why did they use eight instead of 10? Or 11? The color choice is also questionable since the selection they used from ColorBrewer (8-class qualitative Set1) is not explained. Looking at the tool, this selection appears “print friendly” but neither “colorblind safe” nor “photocopy-able”. Whether RGB and CMYK compatibility alone justifies the color selection is unclear. Similar issues abound in the paper.

The two case studies described do not address the users’ use of or familiarity with other synteny browsers; the second collaborator’s description of using “scatter plots and raw text analysis” (p. 7) suggests that he may have limited experience. Thus the praise assigned to MizBee, though deserved, may also apply to other tools. Making a case for MizBee’s superiority is therefore restricted to a theoretical discussion, and I am unable to evaluate the questions they used as being appropriate for general synteny browsing versus being a union of two distinct use cases with little over lap.

The tool itself looks very attractive; I’d only like to see more justification for its design, as this is one of their stated goals, and to learn more about how it compares to other synteny browsers in actual practice.

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By: lyalex https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-18 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:21:59 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-18 This IEEE Transaction paper is really good, both in the method which it presents and the style in which it’s organized.
The paper first addresses the motivation of Mizbee and some important features it looks into, and then did a thoughout study of a taxonomy of layouts for chromosome sets, which makes the following description and comparison of different design decisions and applications much clearer. Then it presents 14 questions from the bilogists which need to be addressed. After that, to deal with the 14 problems, the author give a detailed description of the Mizbee interface, from the Genome View, the chromosome view to the block view. Two case studies are listed for the evaluation for Mizbee. Then conclusion is achieved. In my opinion, the highlight of the style of the paper are: first, it does a good review for the problem with which Mizbee deals, extracts14 questions from the seemingly ambiguous demand of users, and then uses a detailed taxonomy study to describe the designing, which makes the paper concise and clear to understand. The provided previous research part and case studies provides convincing evidence for the value of Mizbee. The only thing I feel a little awkward is that for most IEEE papers, previous work part always goes with the introduction section, which is not the case here.

Mizbee itself indeed is a very useful tool for genome conversation study. The outstanding performance has already been proved by the authors in the paper and in the case studies. However, the implementation part is too concise for me to discuss further. In my opinion, there might still be some drawback in Mizbee. Firstly, it seems that Mizbee lacks a way to precisely locate the interesting block of base-pairs, for example, a box to enter the number of the base pairs would be desirable. Secondly, another thing which may be worth to integrate is the function to swap the source chromosomes and the destination chromosomes. Thirdly, the capacity and performance,( i.e. what is the maximum size of the data sets that Mizbee can handle? How fast can the view, filtering and zoom operations be performed giving certain hardware?) is not presented in the paper. In the paper, we can see it can obviously handle a size of data set up to 10,000,000.

The next thing I find a little bit hard to understand is how to create the data files for Mizbee. The instructions in Mizbee.org explains the data format, and it seems quite complex. Considering the overwhelming data size in molecular genetics, how can an enduser create such a datafile by his own? A parser might be helpful, but certain parser may also request certain input format, how to maintain a valid interface still seems a issue.

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By: dalbers https://pages.graphics.cs.wisc.edu/765-10/archives/100-assignment-1-a-first-vis-paper-and-mizbee#comment-17 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:55:17 +0000 http://graphics.cs.wisc.edu/Courses/Visualization10/?p=100#comment-17 This paper is rather impressive compared to similar works in that it very thoroughly considers all of the science, art, and practice of visualization. Most of the literature that I have come across in this domain tend to use the actual biological motivation of the visualization as more of a data set and doesn’t pay it much regard in the actual construction of the visualization. However, in this paper, the biology and aesthetic of the visualization constantly appear to influence the design, as evident in the use of corresponding blocks when determining control points and using annotations as navigational cues. Also, with regard to the case studies, Figure 9 provided a great concrete example of how the tool could potentially be useful.

Overall, this paper exhibits a strong focus on the task at hand and thorough explanations of the contributions the author was attempting to make. One thing that did bother me, however, was the sudden inclusion of the related works section. This may just be my opinion, but it did feel as if the authors knew how they intended to structure the paper and simply threw in the analysis of related works in a transitional part of the paper simply because they felt it a necessary element of any research paper.

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